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Why losing out on Carl Landry would be disappointing

There are many different opinions on why the Bobcats aren’t going to be able to get Landry and why they declined to use amnesty clause this summer in order to clear enough cap space, immediately, for a player of Landry’s caliber.

My confusion comes in here: When the Bobcats chose to not use the amnesty clause they then declared to have roughly $5 million to spare under the tax line. It’s very clear that the team was not going to go into next season above the salary cap and have to pay luxury tax. That being said, $5mil will not permit you enough space to get a player like Landry on the books for this coming season, but the Bobcats have showed interest anyways. Charlotte could possibly design a ‘poison pill’ structured contract similar to Jeremy Lin and Omer Asik’s with Houston, but likely aren’t willing to lock themselves down for $12-14mil in year 3 of a possible deal. The other option that has been explored is sending Gana Diop’s expiring contract to New Orleans for Landry in a sign-and-trade. The sign-and-trade deal with NOLA seemed to have some momentum this weekend, but has lost steam since. Likely because the Hornets never were really in love with Diop in the first place. Yes, he’s an expiring contract and would also provide a center to a roster that only has one currently- 36-year old, Brad Miller. It’s still Gana Diop, though.

So now that I’ve pointed out it’s almost impossible to sign Landry straight up because of limited cap flexibility and the sign-and-trade with NOLA is reportedly all but dead, does this mean that Cho and front office just took a last second swing at Landry without really putting together a financially sensible plan to make room for him in the first place? If the front office knew that they’d have serious interest in Landry and felt as if they had a good chance at landing him, why not use the amnesty on Diop or Carroll and create enough space on books now to take a serious run?

Because Jordan didn’t want to spend $7.3mil (Diop) or $3.5mil (Carroll) right out of his pocket in order to clear space for Landry this season? I doubt it.

Because the Bobcats want to wait and use amnesty on Tyrus Thomas next season? Maybe, but if you’ve given up on him already then why not just use amnesty on him now?

Using the clause on Diop, Carroll or Tyrus would have permitted the cap space for Bobcats to offer the best possible deal to Landry and one he likely wouldn’t have turned down.

To me, Carl Landry has the ability to be a top-tier scoring PF in this league and at age 28, the starting PF of next 3-4 years in Charlotte. Biyombo isn’t ready and he’s really not even close, so Landry would be the perfect offensive compliment for him to learn under.

Financially, the Bobcats aren’t going to lose anything in missing out on Landry. They are going to lose out on a talent that projects to be entering the prime of his career and could have been an affordable boost to this roster.

55 comments to Why losing out on Carl Landry would be disappointing

  • Do yourselves a favor, Bobcats,

    Stay away from Carl Landry. That guy has been a bust for the last two years. The man does not rebound despite his size and ability and is a horrible defender. let’s not forget that his offense, his greatest strength, has fallen at the waist side. I say stick with developing the talent you have instead of adding a player whom will be an overpaid dead weight down the road.

    • Tony

      “fallen at the waist side” its way side you idiot and getting a player of his caliber would be amazing for a team this bad

  • Brendan

    I see no point in signing Carl Landry for 7 million per year on a three-year deal when you can sign DJ White for less than 1 million on a one-year deal, or just stock another summer league player as the 13th man. Landry is competent but pretty mediocre, and the last thing that team needs to to do is lock in another “meh” PF for more multiple years at over 5 million per year. Landry’s “prime” is nothing to get excited about, or to lament missing. He’s a third-tier performer, which is why he remains unsigned to date. The Bobcats had to save the amnesty option, and not waste it on an expiring deal like Diop, because they need the option of getting rid of Ty Thomas next summer should he continue to be, well, Ty Thomas. This year is about developing the young guys, not winning games. In fact, winning too many games would be seriously counterproductive to an effective rebuilding plan. The Cats need a top 3 pick in next year’s draft — 2013 will be a three-player draft (Noel, Zeller, Muhammad) — and they need to play Biyombo, Mullens, Walker, MKG, Taylor, and Henderson 25 minutes per game every night this season. If Landry doesn’t come cheap on a short-term deal, I fail to see why we’d commit money to him. He’s not a guy that moves the needle that much, but he is a guy who would clog future cap space and playing time in a season where the W-L record is a secondary concern. Save that money for a better player next summer.

  • Tom in Cornelius

    JT, certainly you don’t think any of the bigs on this team will work. Landry on his worst day is better than what’s here. If this franchise puts a sub 20 win season back to back with last year’s worst season in NBA history then this
    franchise is dead.

    Do you think any “A” or “B” quality player would dare come here in the future and waiting on a savior through the draft is ridiculous. They have to get the stigma of last year off them now.

  • Tom in Cornelius

    It’s crazy how some fans have trouble in acepting this is the worst team to come down the pipe in any sport in many many years. I look at this in that how long can this franchise exist in Charlotte and be this bad. I had 4 season tickets to the old Hornets the entire time the team was in Charlotte, but will not re-ivest in this till things greatly improve.

  • Spencer

    Everyone also wants to assume that a better player will be there that’s actually interested in coming to Charlotte. The fact that people want to scoff at Landry as an extremely capable upgrade has gone far overboard. $7mil/year is not a bad deal for Landry and one that I’d absolutely do if I was Charlotte.

    • SDS

      spencer can u find the upcoming free agents in next years drafts, and the likey cap room for teams next year?

      the reason i ask i because well where else are these future FA going to go? either the stay with their team or pick a bad team really…LA has no cap space even with the lose of a Bynum/Howard, they will have i think approximatly 60 million in 3 players- 30 for kobe-who i think could be amnestied, 20 for Paul-and 10, i think? for Nash…

      my point is with this amnesty clause where are these big free agents going to go to? Spurs no go, thunder no go, heat-no go, pacers-no go, maybe nuggets since theyhave pieces for sign and trades, boston no-lac-no unless Paul leaves so what im getting a is that all the good teams are ogood for 1 reason, thy’ve spent their money and dont have much room for anymore big contract guys, so cha does have a good chance to draw in interest with top players, we are just as lovable as clevland and others really,

      also look for sacramento to start to dump some of their top talent guys soon imo, after going with this hg talent low/bad personality routine for a few years and failing look for teams to start picking their talent…

  • Brendan

    If the Bobcats stupidly win more than twenty games next year, Cho should be fired. That team is in a deep hole, and the draft + future cap space is the only way out. That’s how OKC built a contender with zero bad contracts. Small market teams don’t get better by signing middling free agents to over-priced deals. They get better by a) spending smartly (read: avoiding the Carl Landry’s of the world, and hoarding cap space for truly meaningful players) and b) drafting well (and high). The Bobcats have a SERIOUS lack of high-potential talent and need another impact draft pick while the current guys develop. In two years, which PF would you like to pay 5 million, Carl freaking Landry or Cody Zeller? The Cats need another top-3 pick to form their nucleus. Why anyone would advise this franchise to attempt to turn an 18-win team in 2012-13 into a 25-win team is beyond me. Why? So you can accomplish nothing record-wise, yet push yourself out of the impact-player range in a three-person draft? That’s pretty short-sighted. They need to think three years out, not thirty games out. Cho has a plan and he’s on the right course: develop the young guys — the Cats have six very young players with, varyingly, good-to-excellent excellent potential — and forget about the standings in a year they can’t possible win a lot of games anyway. Have one more very bad year in the loss column while cleaning the last of the garbage off the cap (Diop, Carroll, Williams). Go into 2013 and 2014 with nothing but good young players, draft picks, and free cap space. Signing Landry is counterproductive to that idea. In 2013, adding him is a step towards being middle-of-the-road, which basically the worst possible spot for a franchise to be. They need to head into next summer with another top 3 guy in the fold and no bad deals extending into 2014.

    As for free agents, they almost always follow the money. 99% of young impact players take the highest offer they see. Lin and Asik both left big markets to sign with a middle-of-the-road team for exactly one reason — they were offered a lot of money. Batum signed in Minny for a boatload of cash. Up and coming players — being advised by agents working on commission — sign their highest offer, except for a very, very limited few who can dictate terms because they have such high earning potential off the court. If the Bobcats avoid any longterm money for mediocre players, they can enter next offseason with a decent core, several more first-rounders owed, and a clean cap to go after 1-2 truly impact players. The only way to screw that up is to blow cash on middling guys that can’t really make you very good.

    Just my two cents.

  • YoYo

    The thing that most people who want to go ahead and lose don’t understand is that hoping for luck in the draft is not a business strategy, the Cats have had 1 winning season ever and have still yet to capitalize on success in the draft, not to mention the fact that if we do have a terrible season this year and get a high lottery pick and that player winds up being a bust or gets badly injured we will have yet another bad season in 2013/14 which will mark the end of NBA basketball in Charlotte unfortunately ;)

    • Brendan

      I guess you just have to play the percentages. The Bobcats need talent, and the best cheap talent is found at the top of the lottery. I just don’t see how signing a non-top 30 PF to a significant deal makes sense when you’re still two years out from being relevant, and need high draft picks more than a half-dozen random regular season wins. I don’t think it’s hoping for luck to appreciate that picking 2nd is significantly better than picking 9th. And you can still field an exciting team that doesn’t win much. That’s why they hired Dunlap — develop the players’ skills, ignore the record, and put an interesting product on the floor (all press, all run, play the kids). I think the team will be much better this next year even while only winning around 20 games.

      And, FYI, the Bobcats have 25-year arena lease with specified damages. The team can’t be moved unless the new owner writes a check to the city of Charlotte for around 180 million dollars (the current amortized value of the stadium). The city learned a little something from the Seattle debacle. That franchise is basically unmovable for a decade.

  • Spencer

    Brendan- Although I do see your point, Charlotte can’t continue to purposely lose and hope that their luck will change in the draft lottery. If you go and look at the Bobcats future salary obligations, signing Landry to $7mil/year is not going to hold them back from pursuing top level FA’s, and, realistically, Landry is the caliber of player that a small market such as Charlotte must take chances on in order to get better and show FA’s out there that they’re committed to winning. This organization liked Landry when his rookie contract with Houston ran out as they offered a $9mil/year offer sheet which was matched by Houston. Chances are that Charlotte wants him badly for anything under 7.5/year. To assume that this team is just going to get wealthy on talent through draft and free agency is invalid. OKC was a once in a blue moon situation and lighting likely won’t strike twice. What Landry’s price tag isn’t crazy and he’s a talent that could certainly still blossom into one of the better PF’s in the league if he can just stay healhty.

  • Tom in Cornelius

    Brendan, Cho got lucky in OKC The first pick was Ogden and like the Panthers with Newton they were faced with a no brainer in the second spot with Kevin Durant. NO great move on his part.

    As far as landry in a sign and trade they move Diop’s 7M and give it to Landry leaving them still 3M under the cap. They’re at 55M now before this and luxury tax this year kicks in at 70M so they have room to work.

    Next year they can amnesty Thommas picking up 9M, Carroll’s gone so that’s another 3.5M and Gordon is an opt out year and plans to go that way that will pick up 13M.Rught there they would then roughly 25M to work with If they could find anyone to play here.

    • Brendan

      I would have done the sign-and-trade for Landry on a two-year deal, but New Orleans said no. And Gordon isn’t declining his player option next season, not in a million years. A billion. He’s not getting 13.5M on the open market, maybe not even for a multi-year deal. If Gordon does opt out, the Bobcats got a free number one from Detroit for Corey Magette, with no lingering cap hit. That would be amazing. But, again, I can’t see Gordon doing that.

  • Brendan

    I’m not worried about them being able to get people to come play in Charlotte, so long as they have the cap space to cut the checks. The new CBA is going to help smart cap teams more than people think, because the luxury tax is going to be brutal for repeat offenders. Ask the Knicks. Ask the Bulls. With the current cap hit loophole for offer sheets, RFAs are open season right now, so long as you’ve got the cap space to make it hurt the original team on the back end (see Houston). And getting a signature is easy — money talks more than playing time, team strength, etc. If Minny can attract free agents by offering big deals, Charlotte can too. The city is fine in terms of lifestyle, and, despite another rough season ahead, they can likely trot out a 2013 starting lineup of Sessions, Henderson, MKG, Biyombo, and Zeller/Noel, with backups of Walker, Gordon, Taylor, Mullens, and Haywood. Suddenly they don’t look so non-competitive to a free agent when they slap a massive deal in front of him. They can sell that target player as being the last piece in rising playoff team (see Minny). Then the next year you do the same by replace Gordon’s contract. Then you add the two other first rounders you’ve acquired to go with you own picks (minus the one to Chicago). But in the next draft they need that final blue chipper – Noel, Zeller, or Muhammad — more than any other factor. With a Zeller in place, poison pills deals offered to players like Harden, Ibaka, Teague, Lawson, T Evans, S Curry, etc. could get very interesting.

    And I realize the Bobcats won’t become the best team in the NBA like the Thunder did simply by tanking for two years. I understand that reaching that incredibly high plateau of success was very fortunate, and unlikely to be replicated. But it doesn’t change the fact that high draft picks + cap space is how you build a contender when you can’t attract max free agents. It’s easily the smartest path. That’s why Orlando wants massive cap relief, draft picks, and young assists back for Howard rather than expensive NBA starters. The OKC model is the way you build a small market team under the new CBA.

    Thanks for letting me rant.

  • Brendan

    Oh, and I left Ty Thomas completely out of my projection because I assume the Bobcats will amnesty him next summer to clear the cap space to go after real players ( [Thomas + Diop + Carroll + Williams] – [Henderson extension + Mullens extension + Top 3 rookie contract] = cap space). If Thomas plays well next year at PF, they have an athletic PF under contract for two more seasons. If he doesn’t, they can get his cap space and use on someone better. But why sign Landry when you can just see what Ty Thomas does instead? Why book two middling PFs for 8 million a piece for multiple years?

  • Tom in Cornelius

    Gordon said in an interview that he wanted out of Detroit and if Charlotte was his way to a contender so be it. As far as the luxury cap goes it will make it only more difficult for the small owners like Jordan to compete. The New Russian owner of the Knicks who’s a billionaire said so we have to pay $20m in a luxury tax I can afford it. Teams like us even OKC have said they can’t afford to go over the luxury tax threshold. So the big market teams get stronger. Look at Miami picking up Rashard Lewis and Ray Allen for next to nothing.

    Again, the question is will Charlotte last long enough to put it together your way or it will happen like OKC in another city under different owners?

  • Spencer

    Tom- I wouldn’t count on the Bobcats leaving the city of Charlotte anytime soon. Never, actually.

  • Spencer

    Brendan- I really do see your point and you’re 100% correct- high draft picks and cap space are a recipe for success for any franchise in the league. You just have to be realistic as well and when you have a chance to get a player like Landry for a very reasonable price then you need to jump at the opportunity. Again, it’s not likely that many, if any, high level FA’s will even want to come to Charlotte next summer. It’s also very possible that the team doesn’t get lucky in the draft lottery with their selection. What is possible, though, is increasing the talent on this roster at a reasonable price to go along with the youth and building a team that can compete in the post-season. The Bobcats may have to become an ATL (before Ferry recently blew it up) consistent 4-6 seed before they really ever flirt with Championship status.

  • Jimmy

    I’m convinced that the only way Charlotte ever has a decent team is for Jordan to sell the team to someone that will spend the money necessary to win. He wants all the benefits of being an NBA owner but doesn’t want to spend any money.

    • Brendan

      Jordan won’t pay the tax for a lottery team or a six seed. Nor should he. Nor should any good owner. It’s poor fiscal management that hurts roster flexibility/improvement under the new CBA. You should only pay the tax for a contender. Less than a third of the league is in the tax currently. So how is he being cheap? Are the Bulls?

      • Jimmy

        He’s being cheap by not improving the team. I see all these teams trying to better themselves by going after top tier free agents. He only goes after people he can get for nothing. When you’re 7-59, you should be doing more. If only the good teams pay the luxury tax, then something’s wrong with this league and small market teams will never prosper. I keep hearing that the Bobcats have a “plan”. What is this plan? To try to win the lottery every year? They are so bad they couldn’t even win that!

    • jsn23nc

      You dont have a clue to what you are talking about. Cho is making the right moves for Jordan. You’re just one of those idiots that like to hate on Jordan no matter if he’s making the right moves by stepping aside and letting his GM make the moves for a small market team. The NBA is not like the NFL, contracts are guaranteed and you cant overpay for an average player. Jordans not saving money he’s being smart for a change. Maybe you need to do some research on how small markets teams like OKC and Portland have had success, then look at how Charlotte is doing the same thing with Cho as GM. Also stop making dumb comments on things you clearly dont know about.

  • Tom in Cornelius

    Spencer , I hope they don’t, if you were around during the last years the Hornets were in town the deteriation of the team did them in. I had 4 tickets for 41 games and couldn’t give them away. I see that the state of things now.

  • Jimmy

    Unless they start winning soon, I don’t see how they can stay in Charlotte. I’m thankful that I don’t have season tickets. I know some ticket holders that are sick that they are.

  • Brendan

    Read Larry Coon’s CBA FAQ. The new CBA is a much better deal for small market teams because the tax gets tougher and tougher the longer you’re paying it. Every cap expert agrees that this favors smart spending teams that draft well. The former unconscious spenders are adjusting already. Thats why Dallas, NY, and Chicago all lost players they wanted to keep. The increasingly punitive luxury tax + loss of signing exceptions will hamstring any team living over the cap for consecutive seasons.

    The Nets haven’t figured out yet (Billy King) that they built a non-championship core by drastically overpaying their own guys, and they wont have any roster flexibility or the ability to sign any new impact free agents while over the cap (which they’ve locked themselves into). The entire non-tax-paying league is happy to cash future checks from the Nets for millions, while the Nets remain locked into a flawed roster they’ll end up paying 2.5 times in tax for and can’t supplement.

    I’d take OKC’s problems any time. They have talent, cap flexibility, and can always flip players for future assets. The Nets have a set in stone roster they’ll pay twice as much for that is half as good. Even Dolan knew to avoid getting too deep there.

  • Spencer

    Using amnesty and signing Landry would not have put the Bobcats above the tax line. I’m in absolutely no way in support of getting Landry if we have to go over salary cap, let me be clear on that. My point is that we could have avoided being in this situation by using amnesty clause.

    • Brendan

      Okay, I see your point. I guess I just prefer the Bobcats play this year out and save the amnesty for when Ty Thomas inevitably stinks.

      The Bobcats may ultimately fail, but I think Cho is doing the rebuild the right way. time will tell.

  • Brendan

    He’s not being “cheap,” since he’s paying the full cap. Which is exactly what about 25 other teams will pay their players. He’s just not being stupid and paying luxury tax for middling players to create a mediocre team. Because that’s a bad strategy – he did that once already and got a capped-out 7th seed for his efforts. The path you suggest is pretty much the path to hell.

    The Bobcats were fully prepared to offer Brook Lopez a max offer sheet last month, but the Nets sniffed it out and re-signed Lopez on the first day of free agency (abruptly killing the Howard trade talks in fear of the offer sheet). They also offered K Humphries 22M over three years, a very decent offer but not an irrational overpaying one. There’s no shame in losing out to a team that is paying too much. But they DID improve the team- getting a motivated teacher as a coach, drafting MKG and Taylor (looking like great picks), signing Sessions for two years and ten million (a sensible deal), stealing Haywood for peanuts off the waiver wire, and trading Maggette’s useless corpse for 27 million worth of Ben Gordon for two years and another first round pick (certainly not a “cheap” move). The team will be better next season. Just not particularly good.

    I think Cho — the GM who is making the personnel decisions — is doing exactly what he should be doing. And that’s not fire-hosing money at marginal players in a blind panic. That’s what Otis Smith is for. The plan is to take their lumps while collecting a few top draft picks and young assets, clean out the cap for one more season, and then turn that money into decent players. It takes patience and a firm stomach for losses. But the idea that you can just go out and buy a playoff roster in one off-season is silly. Next year is year two of a three-year rebuild. They’ll be in much better shape next summer with another top 3 pick in the fold. THEN they should pounce, and spend. And Cho will. Watch.

    All just my opinion, and good talking with you.

  • Jimmy

    Listen, I’m not trying to argue or get into all the cap room and all that. The only numbers that matter to me and probably all the 18,000 or so fans that attend the games are wins. I think we had rather see wins than see a multi-millionaire or billionaire save a few bucks. That’s my opinion.

  • jsn23nc

    Carl Landry is not near being a top tier power forward in the NBA, If he was, he would already be signed and he would be getting payed like one. Carl Landry is a good player but let’s not overreact, all Chalotte needs to do is continue to build through the draft with young talent. I think Cho has already done enough in free agency for this summer.

  • Brendan

    Fair enough Jimmy. I’m more thinking about two years from now rather than next season, and am willing to wait for a real contender so long as the owner and GM show steady progress and build the right way. Thanks for the replies.

  • Thomas

    Look, the Bobcats have already gotten so much better this offseason. What do you guys expect from them after one of the worst records in sports history? Brendan has made all valid points, so I wont rehash. But for everyone that keeps saying we need landry, or we should have amnestied TT, or whatever, need to stop whining. The amnesty deadline is over now, and unless you have a time machine and have a close relationship with the front office, complaining on what could have been done is pointless because nothing will change until next year. Our roster compared to last year has already been improved exponentially. First off, we’ve always had weak big men. You can’t rely on the draft, but next year there are good bigmen in Zeller and Nerlens. As for free agency, next year was Cho’s target anyways. 2013 was the next big free agency year. Go hate on whoever you want to hate on, but the team will slowly get better. There wont be a season like this past one for Charlotte next year, and hopefully, ever again. As for now, if we can’t S&T Diop for Landry, then don’t bother with him. We might as well make TT work for his damn paycheck. This year will be about experimenting with the roster and seeing who works well together. Remember, the only reason why we sign TT to that stupidly big contract was because when we got him, he made a huge impact on our team on defense. The reason he played so horribly last season, was because he was out from an injury majority of the season, was never 100% healthy, and never really practiced with the team so never got back into game shape. Everyone just relax, sit back, and watch the experiment.

  • SDS

    @spencer, have u heard anything about tyrus being up to 240 lbs and can u confirm that? because if jordan an company think he’s has his head on straight and got that 240 by being in the gym-not snacking, then maybe Tyrus does have that chance to become a gem…hopefully:)

    also this is a bit of a personal question, when u went to college what did u study? cuz im looking into the possibility of trying to become a sports writer or do something in sports because well, i really love sports and i have fun doing it:) and well if i have to do something for 40 yrs to 60s yrs i want it to be something that i know i will love in years to come:)

  • Spencer

    SDS- I can’t confirm that Tyrus has put on that weight- haven’t seen him since the end of last season. I have heard the same thing as well and think it’s safe to bet he’s put on some weight.

    At Wingate University I studied sport management. Started my own blog called Queen City Sports Crave right after I got out of college and then jumped on with Queen City Hoops from there.

  • Tom in Cornelius

    I hope everyone read Rick Bonnell’s column this morning confirming Gorden’s intent to opt out this next year. People seem to belive this team is capable of winning over 20 games next season what if they don’t and can’t put up 20 wins over 2 seasons. You then ask yourself would you want to play for a franchise that bad?

    To much credit is being given to Cho and no blame. He put together last years roster remember. Also, as far as the draft went Michael over rode Cho and said he wanted Gilcrist. We’ll never really know had it only been his choice what moves he would have made.

    As far as Landry goes it’s going to work out just Like Lopez & Humphries and he’ll sign elsewhere because he wants no part of Charlotte.

  • Kurt

    @ Tom, where did you see in Rick’s article that Gordon would opt out of his last year? I didn’t find it.

  • Tom in Cornelius

    I think it was upper right page 3. The Bobcats probably want this to happen. Gerald Henderson plays the same spot and is at the end of his contract. Who do want in the future? Plus, can you have a player on your roster making over 13M and not start him.

    Same way with Sessions and Walker. You signed Sessions to mulitple years and if he can start for the Lakers how do you set him to allow Walker to play?

  • Kurt

    What was written in the article? Not where it’s located in the paper.

    I agree that if he opted out, it would be okay. But agents fight for those player options with big salaries and most players don’t pass on that guaranteed money.

  • Spencer

    I don’t see anyway that Gordon doesn’t take the player option. He won’t get half that money anywhere else.

  • Tom in Cornelius

    The following except is from Rick’s article on page 5 of today’s paper.

    The Detriot Pistons’ motivation for moving Gordon was obvious. THey rid themselves of $14.7M in salary obligation over the next 2 seasons. (the diference $1.5M in Magette’s and Gorodn’s salaries this coming season, plus #13.2M players option Gordon will undoubtedly exercise in 2013-2014.

    This means after the end of the upcoming season he’s gone.

    THey pick up a draft pick and tolerate the conflict with him and Henderson for playing time for the next year.

  • Edmond

    Why are some of you guys bashing the direction CHA is headed, it’s really makes no sense. Just because they finished 7-57 doesn’t mean they’ll stay in the basement. I mean seriously.. It’s a young team that’s buying into a system that our diligent head coach is selling. We drafted the 2nd best PG available and the next Serge Ibaka last year, and we drafted the 2nd best prospect which was also the youngest dude in the draft and got a steal of a backup for him in the 2nd round. Our summer league record indicates the youth for our team is solid and is going places, and we’re bringing along a solid bench to help develop our youngsters. We have a team headed in the right direction, it’s annoying hearing the pessimism coming from people that don’t know the team.

  • Spencer

    Tom- Exercising the player option would mean that Gordon will choose to stay in Charlotte and get paid $13.2 mil the year after this upcoming season.

  • Spencer

    Everyone- for future reference, when a player chooses to exercise his player option they are electing to stay on their current team for one more year and collect the amount of $ that the player option is worth. If the player wanted out, then they would ‘opt-out’ of their player option and become a FA.

  • Tom in Cornelius

    Doesn’t the rule state that who holds control of the players option calls the shot. It is not automatically the players option, right?

  • Spencer

    Tom- No. If a team holds the decision then that’s called a ‘team option’. ‘Player option’ is a clause that allows the player to decide on that one year.

  • Tom in Cornelius

    I’ll go along with that. My problem with this whole discussion is the belief that there is plan in place, not just hoping that sooner or later we get lucky through the draft. Plus it’s difficult to watch all the teams around making moves and getting better and not much happening here.

    People say Jordan wouldn’t move or sell the team, but he’s losing $20M a year would you do that? The NBA is now a league of the haves get better and the have nots die. Hopefully that’a not in store for us.

  • bobcatsFAN.charlotte

    thats the reason we had a lockout and new CBA last year teams like charlotte can compete. and its not competing by going out and spending all ur money while being over the luxury tax. teams are doing it now cause the new luxury tax doesn’t kick in for a couple years but wait a couple years and see what happens to brooklyn. they’re spending all that money over the cap for no reason and they are going to pay for it.

  • Edmond

    Two questions.. Are the bobcats really that unprofitable that Jordan is losing 20million a year? And how does the new CBA help small market teams and punish those that go over the salary cap?

  • Spencer

    Edmond- Hard to determine how unprofitable the Bobcats really are, but they definitely are unprofitable currently.

    As far as the new CBA is concerned- in short, the luxury tax is much more intense. For example, if a team is in the tax numerous years it gets higher and higher as the years go on. So, the big market teams that love to spend money like it’s going out of style will presumably have to think twice now.

  • Edmond

    Who has to play the luxury tax though, does it come straight out of the owners pockets?

    • bobcatsFAN.charlotte

      im pretty sure the owners the one thats paying for the luxury tax. the new CBA also helped smaller market teams with revenue sharing. Reason why teams like LA, Boston, and NY could spend so much was because of their large TV deals which are now getting split to help out the smaller market teams.

  • Edmond

    Biyombo Is going to be playing mostly at center this year, not at PF. The only reason CHA would go after Landry would be if CHA amnestied Tyrus Thomas, otherwise they don’t have the money to do so. By not giving Tyrus the amnesty, the front office is showing they want to give Tyrus another chance.. Which is fine by me. If we did amnesty TT, signed Landry, then he might be taking minutes away from Mullens which would validate your point, but Mullens only cost us a 2nd rounder.

  • bobcatsFAN.charlotte

    i dont think the minutes hurt all that much. i think its more of them getting reps in practice. if we go after someone who we are planning to start, that will take away practice time for someone like mullens or biyombo who really needs to build chemistry with the starters. also they get more focus from the coaches because they are playing more and coaches aren’t going to spend a lot of time with someone on the bench. you might as well send them to the D-league so they can get more time with a coach and work on their game.

    i think thats why we should go after seasoned vets who dont need all of the practice reps and coaching so we can develop our younger players. i have a feeling that if TT doesn’t turn it around, we are going to either trade/amnesty him and go after antwan jamison again cause we need those vets just as much as we need to give our young players practice reps and coaching

  • charlottean

    I’ll echo those with brains who say nay on carl landry. Solid player but how does that help us? we win a few more games and lose draft position, but don’t win enough to make the playoffs. Just takes playing time away from younger guys.

    Rebuilding takes time and really doesn’t involve free agents until the team is clearly on the come up and or “one piece away”

    Okc is the model. Indiana is the model. Even minny managed to get this right.